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Good morning!

Question to Steve, relating to youth boosts. Not so long ago, maybe even last season young players would automatically rise to 15 EOS with their boosts based on number of games, age and max potential then being added after that, so conceivably a 3 rated 17 year old would boost to 15 and then could shoot up to 28 based on youth increases. from the doc for this season it seems the auto boost to 15 is no longer a thing so a 3 rated 17year old could max boost to 15 (maths might be wrong but you get the idea) was there a reason for this? Its not a complaint at all it would just be good to know as any youth player was worth giving games to in L1 and L2 but now not so much.

Also, is there any plans or thoughts (or could there be) on increasing a youth coach max rating? with players now rated over 50 in the game and the potential for up to 75 a max of 25 seems a little out of date? Or perhaps the max potential of any young players will not be below 45?

It would be good to get other peoples opinions on this too

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I think the boost still applies in Leagues 1 & 2, but Steve changed the triggers.

This season’s boosts worded as: PLAYERS AGED 16 AND 17 WITH A RATING UNDER 25 WHO HAVE PLAYED AT LEAST 15 GAMES WILL BE BOOSTED TO A 25 RATING BEFORE THE BOOSTS BELOW ARE APPLIED

Last season it was: PLAYERS AGED 16 AND 17 WITH A RATING UNDER 15 WHO HAVE PLAYED AT LEAST 5 GAMES WILL BE BOOSTED TO A 15 RATING BEFORE THE BOOSTS BELOW ARE APPLIED

So the bar re. minimum rating to boost a young player to has been increased from 15 to 25, up the threshold to achieve that has also been increased from 5 games to 15 games.

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genghis82 said
Good morning!

Question to Steve, relating to youth boosts. Not so long ago, maybe even last season young players would automatically rise to 15 EOS with their boosts based on number of games, age and max potential then being added after that, so conceivably a 3 rated 17 year old would boost to 15 and then could shoot up to 28 based on youth increases. from the doc for this season it seems the auto boost to 15 is no longer a thing so a 3 rated 17year old could max boost to 15 (maths might be wrong but you get the idea) was there a reason for this? Its not a complaint at all it would just be good to know as any youth player was worth giving games to in L1 and L2 but now not so much.

Also, is there any plans or thoughts (or could there be) on increasing a youth coach max rating? with players now rated over 50 in the game and the potential for up to 75 a max of 25 seems a little out of date? Or perhaps the max potential of any young players will not be below 45?

It would be good to get other peoples opinions on this too

Justin  

I may of read this wrong but don’t players aged 16 and 17 now get a preboost up to 25 if they are rated under 25 and if they have played enough games before the additional boost? Is that not better than the old system?

As for a youth coach finding higher rated players, I agree that would be a positive thing to happen as long as you’re not looking at ratings too high. That’s my twopeneth worth anyhow……

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So ignore me on the first point. Thanks guys, that is ace and will help a lot

@El Diablo, agreed, I would not want it too high, I was think maybe a top up to being able to find a 30 rated player instead of maxing out at 25, however with the pre-boost to 25 it might not be as needed.

Although, whilst we are on the subject of backroom staff. 200k from a Promotions officer could do with a boost.....

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I agree, youth finds aren't worth much in league one and two anymore, be nice if it was raised a bit

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Beesley said
I agree, youth finds aren't worth much in league one and two anymore, be nice if it was raised a bit  

I think that the non playing staff are hard coded at 25 rating max but I can run some tests to see if (1) that is the case and (2) if it isn't then the results of actions for higher rated playing staff are actually better. I think probably not.

If you think that youth finds aren't worth much then you are missing a vital part of the game. Even a 1 rated 16 year old youth find could in theory start the following season as a 39 rated 17 year old given some games on the bench. Even as an average he would likely to be boosted to 32 and as a 17 year old his average boost would be to 38 and that's without any coaching or game time increases.

I'm surprised you didn't think that through properly as a very experienced manager dontknow

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So ignore me on the first point. Thanks guys, that is ace and will help a lot

@El Diablo, agreed, I would not want it too high, I was think maybe a top up to being able to find a 30 rated player instead of maxing out at 25, however with the pre-boost to 25 it might not be as needed.

Although, whilst we are on the subject of backroom staff. 200k from a Promotions officer could do with a boost.....

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As with Mr Bees you don't seem to have thought through the youth find system Justin. Youth finds particularly 16 and 17 year old are valuable as you will rarely find them on the auction. Give them some experience and they will deliver quite quickly.

The 200k is certainly hard coded and can't be altered, this is why it probably isn't worth looking into increasing staff ratings as I'm not sure it would make any real difference

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Hey Steve

Hmmm, not sure you thought (read) through my post, it was based on players no longer getting an auto boost to 15, or so I thought. I mis-read the fact that with 15 games they boost to 25 BEFORE actual boosts. This makes a huge difference and I see it was probably the easiest way to keep a 25 youth coach still working in a game that max ratings have gone from 25 (many years ago obvs) to 75 (potential based) now.

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Hey Steve

Hmmm, not sure you thought (read) through my post, it was based on players no longer getting an auto boost to 15, or so I thought. I mis-read the fact that with 15 games they boost to 25 BEFORE actual boosts. This makes a huge difference and I see it was probably the easiest way to keep a 25 youth coach still working in a game that max ratings have gone from 25 (many years ago obvs) to 75 (potential based) now.

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Lol I'm glad you're on top of things now regarding youth coaches even if I wasn't when I replied to your post kiss

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I have thought about it and it's not worth it for my league one side I'd rather get forty rated young players the games and I can't loan out a one rated player, and have one space to do so. anyway after all the boosts they still won't get in my side, I just sell youth finds and a 35 rated one would be easier to sell, if you changed it

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To be fair Martin is one of the most methodical strategic thinkers in Summit and is no stranger to its intricacies. I'm sure he's thought about it in full.

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Darren O said
To be fair Martin is one of the most methodical strategic thinkers in Summit and is no stranger to its intricacies. I'm sure he's thought about it in full.

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I'll make it a tenner!

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Just read through this as trying to get on top of Youth player boosts.

Couple of questions... and I appreciate League 3 may be different to leagues one and two?

1. Do you need to have 15 games minimum to get any boost of any kind?
2. I thought I remembered seeing something saying "even 5 games played is worth doing to get a boost" of some kind... Is that correct?
3. Anything for more than 15 games? 20? 25?

I have loads of <21 players in one of my squads and need to figure out which ones to leave to rot and which ones to pick on the bench!

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I'm not up to speed with the number of games needed in League 1 and League 2.

You can check this out on the downloads section at the top of the page (next to the support button).

League 3

Min Games / Max Boost To Rate
5 - 20
15 - 25
20 - 30
25 - 36

Age Max Boost
16 +8
17 +7
18 +5
19 +4
20 +3
21 +2

Usually a player will on average boost by half of the max! but it could be more OR less. Half is the average roughly speaking.

What this really means is that a player needs to play or be on the bench 5 times to boost to a max rate of 20.
Lets say your player is Age 18 Rate 16.5 and he has managed to get 5 games.
The chart shows that an 18 year old could possibly boost by 5 rates but is likely to boost by (half) 2.5 rates.
If he gets a 2.5 boost then his new rate on week 1 of next season will be Rate 19.0.
The higher the Rate of your player the more games he requires to qualify for an end of season boost.
Eg a rate 33.0 age 18 would need 25 games to boost to a max of Rate 36.0.
Forgive the simplification as I'm just trying to make it relevant for the new lads too

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Just read through this as trying to get on top of Youth player boosts.

Couple of questions... and I appreciate League 3 may be different to leagues one and two?

1. Do you need to have 15 games minimum to get any boost of any kind?
2. I thought I remembered seeing something saying "even 5 games played is worth doing to get a boost" of some kind... Is that correct?
3. Anything for more than 15 games? 20? 25?

I have loads of <21 players in one of my squads and need to figure out which ones to leave to rot and which ones to pick on the bench!  

Get yourself to the download section, all info you need

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Am I right here:

a 16 year old plays exactly 15 matches so gets a boost to 25 then a boost of 0-14 (probably around 7).

As he's played 15 he can't get a boost beyond 25.

Is that right?

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Am I right here:

a 16 year old plays exactly 15 matches so gets a boost to 25 then a boost of 0-14 (probably around 7).

As he's played 15 he can't get a boost beyond 25.

Is that right?  

Yeah that’s how I’ve interpreted it too. To get the extra boost of 0-14 over 25, he’d have to played 20 (for max boost to 30) or 25 (for max boost to 36).

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Got to be that because of the max 25.

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