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I just wanted to see if honest managers opinions here would care to add to this and put it to a vote!, what things would you like to see here that helps other managers.

Transfer Embargo’s, Spending Capping and Transfer Budgets
In the interest of fairness and especially for those managers with inflated bank balances, I’m getting a bit fed up with those who have so much money in their budgets who week on week have a privileged opportunity to outbid lower financed league teams, it must be demoralising and needs an overhaul.

(Jeez What I spent on my ground and my team so far is horrendous)

Potential New Transfer Loophole - Buy and Loan Back
I was wondering what would all you top gaffers have to say about new possible new transfer rules for managers in the higher leagues to buy great players of lower league teams but then loan them back the players back for one four week term or multiple four week terms.

Also I think four turns is far too short to loan players and this should be rounded down to either
a) short spell
b) half a season
c) full season loans

As well as an option to cover the percentage of wages between clubs and a potential loan with option to buy rule.

Vote for Manager League Representative/Spokesperson/Commissioner
This would be an option for voting experienced managers in each division to work with all new managers such as myself and help them traverse the uphill summit (no pun intended) of learning the ropes, they would act as a spokesperson on their grievances to the Summit FA, they would be a somewhat commissioner to oversee transfers solely to make sure others aren’t taking the Michael per se and lastly to help us with other things.

Any other ideas how we can make this whole game better for all and not better for just one, feel free

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Summit happens in real life, Lampard at Chelsea to mention one
Rooney started off at Derby in a lower league and has seen a bit of success
Why don’t you try a club in Div 2/3 and build them up, I’ve been in summit 26 years and have 1 premier LG crown in all that time, Rome wasn’t built in a day!
It’s really difficult starting off in the premier LG, it’s just as difficult being established in the premier LG.you win games you don’t expect to win and lose games you expect to win

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I actually agree with Gary. It takes time to be a top club. The clubs with big balances, have earned and transfered wisely.

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MissRachelleDuFrans said
I just wanted to see if honest managers opinions here would care to add to this and put it to a vote!, what things would you like to see here that helps other managers.

Transfer Embargo’s, Spending Capping and Transfer Budgets
In the interest of fairness and especially for those managers with inflated bank balances, I’m getting a bit fed up with those who have so much money in their budgets who week on week have a privileged opportunity to outbid lower financed league teams, it must be demoralising and needs an overhaul.

(Jeez What I spent on my ground and my team so far is horrendous)

Potential New Transfer Loophole - Buy and Loan Back
I was wondering what would all you top gaffers have to say about new possible new transfer rules for managers in the higher leagues to buy great players of lower league teams but then loan them back the players back for one four week term or multiple four week terms.

Also I think four turns is far too short to loan players and this should be rounded down to either
a) short spell
b) half a season
c) full season loans

As well as an option to cover the percentage of wages between clubs and a potential loan with option to buy rule.

Vote for Manager League Representative/Spokesperson/Commissioner
This would be an option for voting experienced managers in each division to work with all new managers such as myself and help them traverse the uphill summit (no pun intended) of learning the ropes, they would act as a spokesperson on their grievances to the Summit FA, they would be a somewhat commissioner to oversee transfers solely to make sure others aren’t taking the Michael per se and lastly to help us with other things.

Any other ideas how we can make this whole game better for all and not better for just one, feel free  

Yes those clubs and managers who have been around for years and years who have saved money through good dealing and winning should be punished with an embargo or stripped of all the cash they have.. St Albans hand it over!!!

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I agree with the loan option i think you should be able to loan players for longer than 4 turns. Maybe do half season or full season loans.

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Yes those clubs and managers who have been around for years and years who have saved money through good dealing and winning should be punished with an embargo or stripped of all the cash they have.. St Albans hand it over!!!  

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Thanks for your consturictive comments Rachelle.

I have replies to all of them but I think I will leave it a few days to get more feedback from other Managers

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Steve said
Thanks for your consturictive comments Rachelle.

I have replies to all of them but I think I will leave it a few days to get more feedback from other Managers

Steve  

If you are about Steve I have a question why does it some times say on a failed transfer two different things on each managers turnsheet ? As for example my L2 failed transfer this turn with Daz, it said blocked on his and no matching entries on mine? (Can't see anything wrong with deal either, price, wages contract, I've had him a season etc all correct)

Why different reasons?

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In my humble opinion, I say it's a no go. The loan thing is definitely a good idea, more realistic than just 4 weeks at a time, alas, it's been suggested many times over the years. You can't put an embargo or spending caps on managers who have spent many, many years building their squads and bank balances (essentially just Helky on that onethumbsup) - just to suit the few who aren't doing very well. I include myself in that bracket as I am in the Premier League and my team is poor and I have no money but that's my fault and nobody else should have to "pay the price" for that. It's about spending time and utilizing the loan system to your benefit. Very rare has the situation happened where I have had one of the best teams but I have still managed to win a few bits and bobs over the years.

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We all loan players now and again myself included especially with new clubs yes it might increase your ratings but the way i look at it is you are also helping them improve their side and pay them for the privilege. I would rather get a cheapie at auction hence this week for Halesowen to cover for a set time and cheaper too.

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I think a change in the loan system is certainly something I would support for sure, my lower division teams use loans frequently and having them confirmed for half a season would be a great.

I think as others have said, I would not support changing the transfer system really. I am one of the managers that tend to spend my money too quickly and rarely have much of it to throw around however those that do have spent too long, certainly in L1 and L2 building their club and balance to that level.

I think you would have a completely different experience if you took a team in div 3, it would take no more than around 8-10 turns to make the team competitive and chase promotion. With a team winning most weeks, ratings going up and home following increasing s its easy enough to build a team to go through the divisions and then at least be competitive in the premier league.

Hells Kitchen are fighting relegation and have been since promotion 3 seasons ago, its a different type of game with that team and one I enjoy but probably only because I have other lower division teams I am winning with.

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The trouble in the loan system at the minute is injuries so until that glitch is sorted extending loan deals is a no-go at the minute any injury your loan player gets added to loan weeks so you loan player for 4 weeks gets injured on the 1st week would then add injury time too weeks left on loan
I.e 3 weeks left with 2 week injury =5 weeks injured so just imagine on a 8 week loan injured on the 1st week for 2 weeks equal a 9 week injury then managers would no way loan out players as the risk way it high.
We could ask to raise loan age to 25 maybe
I actually don’t mind 4 weeks loan time as if you extend to 8 weeks but the loaning team and stop playing/subs bench then the loan isn’t getting the games he needs so managers will just shorten loan weeks anyway and also what happens if in your 8 week loan period the manager packs in then definitely you player isn’t going to get the games needed.
There are just my thoughts for now

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Colin is spot on with his points, That glitch definitely needs fixings loans are forever getting long term injuries. I also agree about the long term loans but maybe it could go up to a 6 or 8 week option

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Yes the loan system would need to fixed first.
I believe a player can get stuck at the club that he has been loaned out to, if that team becomes unmanaged.
It hasn't happened to me but I do remember reading about it on the forum once.

I think Rachelle has made some great points but the software could be difficult to amend to carry out improvements.
Fair play for taking the time to post the ideas. It's great to see that enthusiasm.

Transfer Embargo’s, Spending Capping and Transfer Budgets - Not sure I would agree with the proposed changes here.

Potential New Transfer Loophole - Buy and Loan Back - Great idea but software issues could prevent changes. (Colin's points are an issue)

Vote for Manager League Representative/Spokesperson/Commissioner - Great initiative. I myself wouldn't be able to put myself forward for such a role due to increased work load and family commitments. Maybe someone else could take up the role?
I'm not sure what qualifies as an 'Experienced Manager'. I'm playing Summit for 6 years but there are many managers more experienced than me. Maybe someone will fancy the role?

In summary. I think Rachelle's post is very welcome and proactive. I'm just not sure some of the ideas can be implemented.
hopefully we see more of these constructive ideas on the forum. cheers

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I reckon only one person per position should be on the transfer list winkwinkwinkwinkwinkwhistlewhistlewhistlewhistlewhistle

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Ha ha then the fun would begin with about 45 managers bidding Lol!

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Let any player any age be allowed go on loan. Increase the length of time you can loan the player for up till say 10 weeks. Have an option where the loan player can be recalled if you get injuries yourself.

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coolcol said
The trouble in the loan system at the minute is injuries so until that glitch is sorted extending loan deals is a no-go at the minute any injury your loan player gets added to loan weeks so you loan player for 4 weeks gets injured on the 1st week would then add injury time too weeks left on loan
I.e 3 weeks left with 2 week injury =5 weeks injured so just imagine on a 8 week loan injured on the 1st week for 2 weeks equal a 9 week injury then managers would no way loan out players as the risk way it high.
We could ask to raise loan age to 25 maybe
I actually don’t mind 4 weeks loan time as if you extend to 8 weeks but the loaning team and stop playing/subs bench then the loan isn’t getting the games he needs so managers will just shorten loan weeks anyway and also what happens if in your 8 week loan period the manager packs in then definitely you player isn’t going to get the games needed.
There are just my thoughts for now  

This is actually a myth that seems to have gained traction amongst managers. I've looked into it and it doesn't happen. Injury lengths are random, the fact that you get a 4 or 5 week injury from a player coming back from loan is just a coincidence and just as likely to happen to any player.

I don't think the loan system is broken and needs changing. There is a software problem in that when a club loans out a player then that player disappears from their squad until he comes back which isn't ideal. I don't think it's reasonable to expect managers to keep track of players they have out on loan for a whole season or even half a season. Imagine having 6 or 7 players suddenly returning from loan spells that you had forgotten about and what that would do to the 21 player squad max.

You can loan a player for as long as you want, there are no restrictions, he just has to return to his parent club every 4 turns. It takes a bit of effort and you miss the odd turn or two but I don't see changing it being an improvement.

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Darren O said
Yes the loan system would need to fixed first.
I believe a player can get stuck at the club that he has been loaned out to, if that team becomes unmanaged.
It hasn't happened to me but I do remember reading about it on the forum once.

I think Rachelle has made some great points but the software could be difficult to amend to carry out improvements.
Fair play for taking the time to post the ideas. It's great to see that enthusiasm.

Transfer Embargo’s, Spending Capping and Transfer Budgets - Not sure I would agree with the proposed changes here.

Potential New Transfer Loophole - Buy and Loan Back - Great idea but software issues could prevent changes. (Colin's points are an issue)

Vote for Manager League Representative/Spokesperson/Commissioner - Great initiative. I myself wouldn't be able to put myself forward for such a role due to increased work load and family commitments. Maybe someone else could take up the role?
I'm not sure what qualifies as an 'Experienced Manager'. I'm playing Summit for 6 years but there are many managers more experienced than me. Maybe someone will fancy the role?

In summary. I think Rachelle's post is very welcome and proactive. I'm just not sure some of the ideas can be implemented.
hopefully we see more of these constructive ideas on the forum. cheers  

Potentially players can get 'stuck' but it's a minor issue. They are still assigned to the parent club in the database and can be manually moved back.

Yes software issues are difficult to overcome. I'm not a programmer so I can make minor changes to the code but I don't want to break anything.

Funnily enough I have programmers looking at another site that I run at the moment and when the dust settles on that I might put Summit on their menu

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MissRachelleDuFrans said

Vote for Manager League Representative/Spokesperson/Commissioner
This would be an option for voting experienced managers in each division to work with all new managers such as myself and help them traverse the uphill summit (no pun intended) of learning the ropes, they would act as a spokesperson on their grievances to the Summit FA, they would be a somewhat commissioner to oversee transfers solely to make sure others aren’t taking the Michael per se and lastly to help us with other things.

  

I'm not really sure where to go with this one Rachelle.

The forum is here to ask questions or seek advice from managers that actually play the game who are eager to help, I am here quite often to answer questions, there is a Support Ticket option which I respond to normally within 24 hours, there is a New Manager Tips document in the Downloads section.

Not really sure what else can be put in place to help new managers?

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