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I have worked out that a season should take around 350 days 10 days per turn and 20 days of holiday and bank holidays off but at the minute in L1 we are averaging 12.85 and 13.32 in L3.
so far this season we have lost around 50 days in delays while I understand its a hobby I enjoy playing the game when it runs regular but nearly 2 weeks per just makes it a tad boring to play.

i agree the deadlines and traffic lights are a waste of time now I just don't understand why its 72hrs after the deadline to process tuns.

It's just such a shame with so many new managers joining the game turns slow don again 1 turn for L3 in the whole of April just makes it non-event when my turn arrives.

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I'm not looking for an argument but this thing about only one League 3 turn in the whole of April is very misleading. League 3 was also sent out 31st March and 3rd May. So in other words that's 3 turns in 33 days with 10 days being the on time turnaround. That despite me being knocked out with Covid, then the Easter holidays and then losing my laptop for several days in quick succession so really not as bad as is being made out

The reason there was only one turn out this week isn't a 'new' delay. It is due entirely to the problem at the start of the month / end of last month which has a knock on effect. I'm all for negative feedback and expect it when there is something to be negative about but really I do think this is a bit of a storm in a teacup.

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I think Colin and Graham's both have salient points. The game is taking at least, about 30% longer than it should. All The recent delays did were to highlight and slightly exacerbate this issue and this led to more anger and frustration. I also agree with Graham, Steve views it as doing us a favour.

Either:
1) Steve will recognise he is being paid to do this (and as such, is a professional) and runs this game on a professional basis with a designed workflow process, tight deadlines and inbuilt resiliancy.
2) Or, managers are going to accept the game being run as is.
3) Or, someone else will manage the game.
4) Or, it will be quiet for 2-3 weeks before the simmering discontent boils over again.

Steve, you own this game, you run this game: The control and the responsibility are entirely in your hands, as always. Now you have the initiative and we look forward to hearing how you plan to move forward with it. All the best. B

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    I think you should ditch the traffic light system, it would make life easier.I think one of the annoying things is seeing the light for processing go on on Tuesday and then waiting til Thursday.
    At least if you just sent the leagues out saying now processed rather than peeing about with amber lights etc then there wouldn’t be any expectations.
    That’s not a complaint either

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    garyc said
    I think you should ditch the traffic light system, it would make life easier.I think one of the annoying things is seeing the light for processing go on on Tuesday and then waiting til Thursday.
    At least if you just sent the leagues out saying now processed rather than peeing about with amber lights etc then there wouldn’t be any expectations.
    That’s not a complaint either  

    Well that's an option. I'm sure I posted about the meaning of the traffic lights in another thread ie amber doesn't mean it is going out that day, just that I started on it but if that's annoying I can keep quiet until the League is actually in the post.

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    Bryce said
    I think Colin and Graham's both have salient points. The game is taking at least, about 30% longer than it should. All The recent delays did were to highlight and slightly exacerbate this issue and this led to more anger and frustration. I also agree with Graham, Steve views it as doing us a favour.

    Either:
    1) Steve will recognise he is being paid to do this (and as such, is a professional) and runs this game on a professional basis with a designed workflow process, tight deadlines and inbuilt resiliancy.
    2) Or, managers are going to accept the game being run as is.
    3) Or, someone else will manage the game.
    4) Or, it will be quiet for 2-3 weeks before the simmering discontent boils over again.

    Steve, you own this game, you run this game: The control and the responsibility are entirely in your hands, as always. Now you have the initiative and we look forward to hearing how you plan to move forward with it. All the best. B  

    Bryce... please stop with all the Corporate nonsense (workflow process and inbuilt resliency) but if you really want to discuss this further have your people call my people 🙂

    The only reason it would crop up again in 2 or 3 weeks time is if there was a delay NOW. Then the deadlines for all 3 Leagues would need to be pushed forward and some people would be thinking the game is slow because they haven't had their turn when expected.

    But it's because of the delay 2 or 3 weeks ago it's not a *new* delay. Since everyone seems to think so then I'm obviously just not explaining it properly so that's my bad but I dunno what else to say.

    I didn't get your inference that Graham said that I was doing anyone a favour. I didn't take that from his post but you obviously did so I'm sure Graham can speak for himself.

    Listen guys (and a few girls).. I do my best to keep the turns chugging out as regularly as possible. I'm not perfect, sometimes there are hardware issues, sometimes there are health issues, sometimes it takes a whole day for me to take the wife to hospital appointments, sometimes I just have other things that need doing, sometimes there is a public holiday where the post stops working, sometimes I just need a break! Tell me the last time I said I am closing Summit for 2 weeks because I am going on holiday?

    So please just chill out a bit everyone. Look back on the last few months or years and you will find that the turns being sent out are not really such a problem but new potential managers reading this stuff might think so.

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    Forum members can spin my post however they want. I like the game, always have and only left as I got a bit bored of it.

    It's only £3 whatever it is now per turn and that represents good value in my book. There are managers that, I feel, have to win whatever but that's not what I do it for.

    It's a bit of a break from reality and I've always said it's only a game once all is said and done. Things happen in life that puts things like a week's delay into perspective and it makes you think, am I channeling

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    GraHewitt said
    Forum members can spin my post however they want. I like the game, always have and only left as I got a bit bored of it.

    It's only £3 whatever it is now per turn and that represents good value in my book. There are managers that, I feel, have to win whatever but that's not what I do it for.

    It's a bit of a break from reality and I've always said it's only a game once all is said and done. Things happen in life that puts things like a week's delay into perspective and it makes you think, am I channeling  

    My energies into the right thing?

    Come on, get a grip and accept these things are part of this game we're all here to play and, let's be honest, enjoy playing.

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    GraHewitt said

    My energies into the right thing?

    Come on, get a grip and accept these things are part of this game we're all here to play and, let's be honest, enjoy playing.  

    Sorry, got fat fingered there. Put my 2 posts into 1.

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    Steve, thank you for taking the time to respond, your response was very interesting.

    Sorry Graham, I wrongly interpreted you saying "The thing is it's pretty much a hobby for Steve, certainly not a business and that's what we all need to remember." with the possible reasons why. I apologise to you Steve, on that basis too. It would have been a lot more straightfoward if I'd simply quoted Graham.

    And Graham, you're right: It's a game, it doesn't really matter at all and I hold true to that. However, there has been a lot of tension recently and if that can be avoided through honest dialogue and reflection; then its worth the effort because it can only help to make an excellent game, more enjoyable.

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      Fundamentally - this isn’t a business. This is a group of individuals that love football and like outing our wits against each other.

      Note: I would happily pay a bit more for a once a week match. At moment by my reckoning it takes about a year to play a season.

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      Regarding the traffic lights Steve, as previously suggested when this came up, I think you should remove the "inputting turns" without being too critical it is just a flag to say you are thinking about doing the turn in the next day or two. When the lights go to processing 9/10 its goes out that day so is a much better indicator for us customers that its being done, you last response is its a way of telling us " get your turns in " but there is a deadline, if a turn is not in then its not your fault, there is no need for a prompt

      As an aside, i assume L3 is not going out today?

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      I'm going to remove the traffic lights altogether and replace it with a page that only updates once the League has gone out.

      League 3 went out today

      Cheers... Steve

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      Yay that means L1 is next! Appreciate your efforts Steve, we know you have a lot on your plate already and Covid and laptop troubles are about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

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      Steve said
      I'm going to remove the traffic lights altogether and replace it with a page that only updates once the League has gone out.

      League 3 went out today

      Cheers... Steve  

      Shame you didn't keep the return dates on the page it was easy to check when leagues needed to be done

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      Beesley said

      Shame you didn't keep the return dates on the page it was easy to check when leagues needed to be done  

      Other than it saying it on your actual turn whistle

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      Mr G said

      Other than it saying it on your actual turn whistle  

      Well what if you've sent that back in sunshine

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      Beesley said

      Well what if you've sent that back in sunshine  

      Then you would have not missed the deadline presumably petal

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      Mr G said

      Then you would have not missed the deadline presumably petal  

      Yes but I may have forgotten when it was due so won't know when to expect to see the turn, it's handy to have a reminder at hand sweetie

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      Beesley said

      Yes but I may have forgotten when it was due so won't know when to expect to see the turn, it's handy to have a reminder at hand sweetie  

      ....but then you are in an almost constant state of disappointment when they don't come out "on time" sweetiethumbsup

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